Sunday, October 7, 2007

Youmint: How refreshingly unoriginal

The site claims: “YouMint is a unique social utility that connects you with people around you”.

So what is their “unique” concept? You register with their site, invite friends to register, grow your network. Then you receive ads on your mobile, you not only get paid for these ads; you also get paid when someone in your network receives an ad.

Sounds familiar? Yes, around 6 months back, mGinger started this business model in India. Paying consumers for seeing ads was not something entirely new. But what mGinger brought into Indian market is this concept of incentivizing the users for building a network.

Within 2 months of the launch of mGinger, many other such sites came up, claiming to do exactly the same thing. Even the names of these sites were just a minor variation of mGinger. Some of these folks even wrote blogs claiming that mGinger was fake (I’m not going to mention the names or provide any links here. Those guys don’t deserve any publicity). They tried to “steal” users from mGinger by offering to pay more for each ad. Unsurprisingly, most of these guys vanished after a while; whereas mGinger still continues to get mentioned in the press. (For example here, here and here)

It’s not surprising in business world to see people blindly copying others. But you would expect these folks to at least think about a decent strategy before challenging the existing players. Take the example of Youmint now. Here are the 3 things they are promising. Let’s see how “unique” and clever their strategy is.

1) Get paid when you or your network receive Ads.

This is the crux of the business model (you’ll see why) and it’s a direct copy of mGinger concept. As per Youmint
- What you get each time you get a promo SMS – Rs 0.20
- What you get when a friend you referred get a promo – Rs 0.10
- What you get when a friend of the friend you referred gets a promo – Rs 0.05


They don’t even bother to offer a different amount.

And in the house rules section, they mention
“And you need to have a minimum of Rs 300 in your account for us to cut you a cheque”

The “Rs. 300” part is again taken from mGinger.

Ask these guys, why they chose these numbers, I’m sure they won’t have a convincing answer.


2) Get paid when your referrals join Youmint.

Ah! Something new here. But as you’ll realize quickly, the money you get from this is not even going to buy you a decent meal. If you invite 20 friends and each of them, in turn, invite 20 other (a highly optimistic scenario) you’ll get only one time payment of Rs 110. Take a more realistic estimate. You invite 10 friends and each of them in turn invite 10 others, you’ll end up getting Rs 30 only.

So, on the face of it, even though Youmint looks to be doing something different, the users will soon realize that this is merely a window dressing.

3) Send “Free SMS” to your network.

mGinger has cleverly avoided stepping into any areas that would be seen as a threat to the telecom providers. Unfortunately, Youmint seem to have ignored the angle. If you allow, your users to send free SMS, you are cutting the revenue of the mobile service providers.
I don’t think they are going to take this lightly.

Most of these services buy bulk SMS packs from MSPs. So one SMS might cost them almost half of what it costs the regular users. What Youmint is trying to do is to get the advertisers sponsor these SMSs. Advertisers would be willing to do this, because the cost of the SMS is already much lower; whereas they perhaps would be unwilling to sponsor a regular SMS. I think we can guess the reaction of the MSPs.

In the end, one more point to these guys. Here is what they have mentioned in the FAQ section

“So basically, you make enough to at least cover your mobile bill (and perhaps a coffee for us for coming up with this great idea!)”

Guys, isn’t it bad enough that you are just blatantly copying someone’s idea, do you now have to go around claiming that you came up with it in the first place? Lets hope you guys survive long enough to have that coffee though.

6 comments:

  1. It is easy to criticise genuine efforts! But as a blogger you have the right to! I respect that, as i should do!

    Ever wondered where mGinger got the concept from?? Heard of a company called MindMatics in the UK? They run a service called www.redalertz.co.uk and believe it or not - mGinger - your favourite site picked up the concept, the terms and conditions, the privacy policy and believe it or not - even the text for "Advertise with us " from redalertz!!! (Here is the proof.Click on these 2 links below:

    PAGE ON YOUR FAVOURITE SITE - http://web.archive.org/web/20070601200951/mginger.com/sales.html

    PAGE ON REDALERTZ -
    http://www.redalertz.co.uk/uk/public/info.agency.go;jsessionid=F25EFD7CCE91AFBB31AC45631B3AB804.www1

    The team at YouMint.com (earlier it was to be called YouLive!) has been in discussions with us since November of 2006 discussing this concept and we know (and can vouch) that the YouMint team is not only very creative but also delivers what they promise!

    On the contrary, we were shocked to see that mGinger came up with the exact same figures as what YouMint had decided to launch with.

    Much said already! Hope that helps.

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  2. Dear Anonymous YouMint guy,
    Thanks for posting your comments here.

    You seem to have ignored couple of lines in my blog, where I said "Paying consumers for seeing ads was not something entirely new. But what mGinger brought into Indian market is ......"

    I think you (and the other readers) can go through Red Alertz and mGinger (my favorite site, as you call it) and see how similar or different the concept is. As I mentioned mGinger brought this whole community thing into picture.

    After going through red alertz, I kind of realized that Youmint looks more like a mixture of mginger and red alertz, and less like a new unique idea.

    Ok, mGinger copied the text.. I give that to you.. but is it worse than copying the entire business model?

    Sadly, when we judge a unique concept, its the first mover who gets the credit. You can claim that you have been thinking about this for a long time, but we have to go by who did it first. I mean, if I claim now that I was thinking of the whole PageRank algorithm for last 20 years, not many people would take my word for it.

    And lastly, I happen to know a bit more that the general public about where the mGinger idea originated from and the numbers that mGinger publishes on their site came after a lot of discussions.

    May be yours is a genuine effort and I sincerely wish you all the best for the venture. Goos to see that you have taken the criticism well and cared enough to respond here. All the best and hope you do well.

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  3. Just when I was beginning to believe your words and getting some respect for Youmint, I realized that the mGinger link you forwarded me was not from their site. The "Advertise with us" link on mGinger takes you to AdGinger site (which I'm sure you would be planning to copy very soon)

    So mGinger might have that page for a few days.. just as a stopgap measure.. and when you base your entire case against them on that single point it just shows how strong your case is.

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  4. Hi Manas,

    Found your profile through LinkedIn. We are running a local search engine Samfra.com, and need to talk to you regarding an important matter.
    Could you please reply at jeet232@gmail.com

    Thanks

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  5. Hi Manas,

    I just realised you had responded to my earlier comment. It is interesting to see that you did not notice that the site and the link below are from Archive.Org that stores websites and shows what they looked like on given dates. Try it out. Go to Archive.org and check out what mginger's "Advertise with us" links' content was on June 26, 2007 and you will know.

    http://web.archive.org/web/
    20070507095309/www.mginger.com/
    sales.html

    Cheers!

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  6. Hi Manas,

    I just realised you had responded to my earlier comment. It is interesting to see that you did not notice that the site and the link below are from Archive.Org that stores websites and shows what they looked like on given dates. Try it out. Go to Archive.org and check out what mginger's "Advertise with us" links' content was on June 26, 2007 and you will know.

    http://web.archive.org/web/
    20070507095309/www.mginger.com/
    sales.html

    Cheers!

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